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The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame : Outside Looking In
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| Artist | Song | Buy |
| Big Star (buzz) | O My Soul |
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| MC5 (buzz) | Kick Out The Jams |
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| Television (buzz) | See No Evil |
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| Sonics (buzz) | Have Love Will Travel |
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| Marc Bolan & T.Rex (buzz) | Solid Gold Easy Action |
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| Link Wray (buzz) | Run Chicken Run |
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| Love (buzz) | The Daily Planet |
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| Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band (buzz) | Diddy Wah Diddy |
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| Deep Purple (buzz) | Black Night |
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| Canned Heat (buzz) | Rollin' And Tumblin' |
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| Herbie Hancock (buzz) | Bring Down The Birds |
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| Bar-Kays (buzz) | Soul Finger |
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| Carla Thomas (buzz) | B.A.B.Y. |
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| Jimmy Cliff (buzz) | You Can Get It If You Really Want |
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| Toots & The Maytals (buzz) | Pressure Drop |
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| Lee "Scratch" Perry (buzz) | Tighten Up |
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| Bobby Womack (buzz) | Across 110th Street (Part 2) |
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| The Delfonics (buzz) | Ready Or Not, Here I Come |
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| Shadows (buzz) | Foot Tapper |
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| Chic (buzz) | Open Up |
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| Donna Summer (buzz) | Love To Love You Baby |
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| Lee Dorsey (buzz) | Confusion |
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| The Moody Blues (buzz) | Ride My See-Saw |
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| Harry Nilsson (buzz) | I Guess the Lord Must Be in New York City |
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| Cat Stevens (buzz) | Matthew And Son |
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| Zombies (buzz) | A Rose for Emily |
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| Donovan (buzz) | The Sun Is A Very Magic Fellow |
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| Side B | ||
| Artist | Song | Buy |
| The Stooges (buzz) | 1969 |
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| Joy Division (buzz) | Digital |
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| X (buzz) | The Once Over Twice |
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| Faces (buzz) | Ooh La La |
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| Monkees (buzz) | Michigan Blackhawk |
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| Ben E King (buzz) | Stand By Me |
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| Shangri-Las (buzz) | The Dum Dum Ditty |
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| Todd Rundgren (buzz) | I Saw The Light |
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| Warren Zevon (buzz) | Excitable Boy |
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| Electric Light Orchestra (buzz) | 10538 Overture |
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| Roxy Music (buzz) | Editions Of You |
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| Kraftwerk (buzz) | Tour De France |
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| Sugarhill Gang (buzz) | Rapper´s Delight |
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| Beastie Boys (buzz) | Sure Shot |
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| Ohio Players (buzz) | Trespassin' |
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| Quicksilver Messenger Service (buzz) | Light Your Windows |
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| Willie Nelson (buzz) | Matador |
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| The Flying Burrito Bros. (buzz) | Do You Know How It Feels |
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| Screamin' Jay Hawkins (buzz) | Frenzy |
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| Moby Grape (buzz) | Hey Grandma |
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| Dr. John (buzz) | (Everybody Wanna Get Rich) Rite Away |
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| Country Joe & the Fish (buzz) | Porpoise Mouth |
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| Genesis (buzz) | Harlequin |
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| Jethro Tull (buzz) | Living In The Past |
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| Tom Waits (buzz) | Clap Hands |
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| Irma Thomas (buzz) | Take a Look |
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| Nick Drake (buzz) | Fly |
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On the 10th March 2008, Madonna, The Ventures, John Mellencamp, The Dave Clark Five and Leonard Cohen became the latest artists to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Few can argue with Madonna’s inclusion, having had more impact across the pop culture landscape than all but a handful of names, male or female, in rock history. Or the Ventures inclusion, 23 years eligible and finally getting in after their first nomination. Dave Clark Five – solid if unspectacular and Mellencamp – steady and often under appreciated also went in. It was Cohen’s inclusion funnily enough that caused the most fuss. Always more of a hit with the critics than the record buying public, Leonard is the first inductee in the Hall of Fame’s 23 year history never to have scored a Billboard Top 50 album or Top 100 single.The 54 tracks on this mix represent artists who are all eligible ( having made their first recording 25 or more years ago ) who I believe should also have been included into the Hall Of Fame by now. So, my fellow AotMers, what are your thoughts?
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The two artists that would make me giddy to see recognized would be X and Zombies, who, I see, you've included here so I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know.
Killer tunes, glaring omissions. Bolen, Beefheart, Cliff, Toots, Nilsson, Cat Stevens, Zombies, Donovan, Stooges, Monkees, Rundgren, Zevon, Roxy Music, Willie, Moby Grape, Dr. John, Waits and Drake are unforgivable omissions.
Wow...great collection, with little to no artists I'd even dream of taking issue with. How have some of these not been inducted?
This bunch is I'm sure way better than whoever IS in the Hell of Fame now - - to me, those official "best of" lists , like the Nobel Prize or the Academy Awards, usually seem to make choices that are either obvious or wrong . . . or both!
I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I think the rock and roll "hall of fame" and all the hoopla surrounding it is pretty silly. I couldn't care less who's in and who's out. This is a great list of artists though, for sure.
From what I've read it's more of a career-well-done salute to the artists, many of whom appreciate their inclusion. For their sake and the tourist economy of Cleveland, I guess the hall is a good thing.
I'm much more interested in the museum aspect of the RnR Hall of Fame and Museum than the actual hall of fame, and I've always found it ironic that while the Hall is in Cleveland, the inductions take place in NYC.... That being said, this is a great collection of songs by some great artists (whether or not they ever end up on a display next to Lake Erie).
I agree with all below - excellent mix!!
Great collection regardless of the criteria for inclusion. I'm with Orchid on the hall of fame thing but the physical museum is cool.
crikey, I had never really given this much thought . . . but now that I have . . . I guess that I agree with you . . . there is no requirement to still be producing great music then ?
What do I think? I think the Hall of Fame is a crock, and you've just offered all the proof one needs. Sure, one can quarrel about whether all of these were comparably influential (or, for that matter, whether they were sufficiently "rock"). But at least half of these go a long way towards showing gaping holes in the HoF selection process (most notably, for me, Big Star, Joy Division, and Marc Bolan, all of whom bear significant responsibility for entire genres of music).
I only care if it is my hall-of-fame. Great mix Sam.
I'm nominating SammyG. And Orchid and joey de vivre. Hell, let's form a band and apply. Ok, maybe after Donovan and Donna Summer get in.
Few arguments from me on your picks here. By continually ignoring The Stooges and Link Wray makes the whole thing a steaming pile of monkey crap. In a perfect world my HoF would have a special wing celebrating Half Japanese, Les Rallizes Denudes, Amon Düül and The Birthday Party.
I'm with Mesh and Pop Kulcher!
Given my chosen genre of music, I never pay attention to the "ins" & "outs" of R&RHoF...but this looks like a killer slab o' sound, regardless.
Who's in, Who's out, Who cares. Sounds like the title for a rock hall essay. I think i'll write it. lots of great starting points in all the previous comments. Very nice mix and everyone knows who gets my first vote.
As they said in the Catskills, Halla fame, Schmalla fame. Recognition that really matters has to come from the true experts in musical quality. That would be the good people of AOTM, and their picks are
here.
here.
It's criminal that the Sonics, Big Star, and Zombies aren't in the HOF.
As well as everybody else on this mix. Rush and Black Sabbath,two bands not on this mix will probably never be honored, because Jan Wenner of Rolling Stone mag, and who pretty much handpicks the nominees hates hard rock.
Yet, these two bands still have an influence on music today.
As well as everybody else on this mix. Rush and Black Sabbath,two bands not on this mix will probably never be honored, because Jan Wenner of Rolling Stone mag, and who pretty much handpicks the nominees hates hard rock.
Yet, these two bands still have an influence on music today.
as it seems to be the general consensus, i agree that i could give a shit less about who enters the HoF - it actually seems more like a smack in the face than anything (seriously, inducting the brilliance of leonard cohen the same year as someone as irrevocably damaging to music as madonna is a spit in the face in itself). this here is ample proof - LOVE the big star, zombies, television, love, delfonics, stooges, joy division, faces, shangri-las, beastie boys, sugarhill gang, willie nelson, flying burrito brothers, tom waits, nick drake - among tons of others - can't expect any less from you, sammy
I am with Anthony. As I have been telling my good friend, Mr. Ashcraft, Tom Waits should definitely be proud to NOT be a member of that group. It was interesting in the very beginning of the concept, but also most obvious choices of course. Now it is just who can (literally or figuratively) be the biggest lambiscon with la Srta. Wenner. That is a club where at this point, it should be a badge of honor to not be considered a member. Isn't Foreigner in the Hall? I notice they're not on your mix ;-)
And on the mix a super-deluxe 5 stars, can't go wrong with this line-up.
To me, the Stooges (who define "rock 'n' roll" to these ears) are the most egregious omission, followed closely by Black Sabbath, Big Star, Television, the Zombies, Captain Beefheart, Tom Waits and T. Rex. There are a few here that you listed whom I think should be kept as far away from anyone's Hall of Fame as possible: the Moody Blues (can't stand 'em), Genesis (not because they didn't have some decent work through about '80/'81, but because what they've released since is among my least favorite drek of all-time), Jethro Tull (some good records, but c'mon...), Deep Purple (although I don't hate them as much as I used to). A lot of these folks are tremendous but probably aren't "rock 'n' roll" enough for Jann & Co. (Lee Perry springs to mind).... and yeah, I'm kind of with all of the folks below who said that the Hall of Fame is asinine. :-) This, btw, is a great mix.
The whole fucking shabang is a complete crock o' shit if you ask me, I couldn't give a monkey's toss who's in and who ain't.There's some top nominees in yer mix though Sam (Genesis aside whom I can't stand, though I admit I do have a copy of Wind & Wuthering gathering dust somewhere) Lee Perry deserves an accolade to be made just for him though, the barking mad nutter is way out in a field of his own and is one of my few musical heroes.
Great, great mix Sam and really surprising to see all these lot left out. Okay, I agree with Frenchy, don't really care, but for the record Kraftwerk should be in there for inventing an entire genre (I am fond of banging on about Kraftwerk inventing a genre). Tom Waits for his consistent artistic achievements, Shangri La's cause I love them, Lee Perry (see Kraftwerk)... and maybe Joy Division or Television or Nick Drake. That's five...
The Hall of Fame is in my flat where about a thousand records reside. As for this US impostor I dismiss it as an irrelevance. Some good stuff here but no Kirsty MacColl, I repeat, no Kirsty MacColl. Kick out Genesis and replace with Kirsty. Unless she's already in the Hall Of Fame. If she is then I'll nominate the Desperate Bicycles whom you seem to have forgotten :).
I personally don't care about accolades like these... they always seem forced, disingenuous and hollow. It's all about ego I guess and I really don't care about that sort of stuff when it comes to music. Music is important to each individual... and that's all that matters. Anyway, this a phenomenal mix, Sam. Love the soul cuts here and that lovely Zombies track (one of my favourite songs). Nice.
Maybe it's just me, but, the idea of a "Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame" or Museum is just so , I don't know, NOT Rock 'n' Roll. Know what I mean? "Now ladies and gentlemen, quiet please, single file, please do not touch the exhibits, no smoking , not food or drinks, no bare feet, mothers watch your children, no dancing, Please behave yourselves, this is Rock 'n' Roll after all, show some respect. Do you have any idea of the prejudices that are generation suffered so you could have your White Stripes and and your Nine Inch Nails?" ....OK, I'm going a little overboard there, but I got on a roll. Hall of Fame aside, this mix is full of brilliant R 'n'R...except, maybe Chic and Donna Summer...
I can't believe I typed "are" instead of "our". This site really needs a feature where you can edit your own comments.
classic is the word here
Sorry to butt back in here, but it looks like someone needs to say a word or two in defense of Genesis. The Gabriel-era albums are amazing, innovative, and probably just about the best the prog genre has to offer. Sure, one can haggle over which artists were most influential in this area -- I suppose King Crimson got there first with their debut album, and perhaps Yes won out over Genesis in terms of popularity (but, sorry, not listenability) -- but if one were to grant any recognition at all to prog/art rock in the HoF (and as a major rock genre, one should give it its due), then Genesis needs to be there.
Addressing Rob C.'s comments -- I don't think you need to deduct points for what happened after Gabriel's departure. (I dont' disagree that most everything after Abacab was beyond execrable.) Do the Stones get excommunicated because of their crappy 80s/90s albums? Does Dylan lose his post for... well, same thing? Based on their cumulative body of solo work, one can safely assume that the Beatles would have eventually jumped the shark, but that wouldn't minimize their contributions, would it?
Also, while I have Rob's attention -- I'm gonna have to make the long-awaited Moody Blues single artist mix. I mean, sure, cheesy, badly dated, at times even breathtakingly insipid, but they also had some great songs.
And, regarding KathrynandRupert -- the includion of Genesis would not be a reflection on Kirsty MacColl. That said, while she had some great songs (and "They Don't Know" is one of the most essential pop tracks of the new wave era), and was crooning standards and jazzed-up numbers long before it became de rigueur, not sure her influence level is quite up there with others on this mix.
Addressing Rob C.'s comments -- I don't think you need to deduct points for what happened after Gabriel's departure. (I dont' disagree that most everything after Abacab was beyond execrable.) Do the Stones get excommunicated because of their crappy 80s/90s albums? Does Dylan lose his post for... well, same thing? Based on their cumulative body of solo work, one can safely assume that the Beatles would have eventually jumped the shark, but that wouldn't minimize their contributions, would it?
Also, while I have Rob's attention -- I'm gonna have to make the long-awaited Moody Blues single artist mix. I mean, sure, cheesy, badly dated, at times even breathtakingly insipid, but they also had some great songs.
And, regarding KathrynandRupert -- the includion of Genesis would not be a reflection on Kirsty MacColl. That said, while she had some great songs (and "They Don't Know" is one of the most essential pop tracks of the new wave era), and was crooning standards and jazzed-up numbers long before it became de rigueur, not sure her influence level is quite up there with others on this mix.
Like most people here, it seems, I'm somewhat skeptical about the Rock'n'Roll hall of fame to begin with (Skipper Bartlett was right to point out that such a concept just plain isn't very rock'n'roll), and not just because of all the good people that made your mix, but didn't make the hall of fame yet. Still, if it inspired a mix like this, I guess the hall of fame is alright with me, after all!
while I'd put myself on the list of those who don't get too worked up as to who is and who isn't in the Hall of Fame, I still find it fascinating to learn who has been included and who hasn't. Just like the Oscars. the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Whatever rarely nominates the best or most interesting films and performances of the year (actors Jennifer Jason-Leigh, Gael Garcia Bernal and Lili Taylor have never been nominated, for example), but I still watch it every year out of curiosity and because it's interesting trivia. and this mix, dear Mr. G, is interesting trivia overload. some of the groups here, indeed, seem to have made choices in their careers that would make them too interesting or out-of-the-ordinary to be recognized by the R/R Hall of Fame. and so be it. but some of them do seem to be glaring omissions (Donna Summer, Donovan, Ohio Players, Willie Nelson, Tom Waits...). If nothing else, this was a great listen with wide variety. side one favorites: MC5, Harry Nilsson, Bobby Womack, Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band, Marc Bolan and T. Rex and Chic (they recorded a song other than Le Freak?). side two highlights: Irma Thomas, X and best of all, Shangri-Las.
To Pop Kulcher:Nothing that the Stones have done (IMO, of course) since the early '80s (as lifeless and pointless is most of the material is) is remotely as bad as post-Abacab Genesis (particularly since the Keef songs on almost every one of those albums is really-good-to-great); the Stones, for instance, never recorded "Invisible Touch" or "Illegal Alien." Although many of the Dylan records from the '80s weren't super-swift, your generalization is certainly glossing over decent (World Gone Wrong, Good as I Been to You, Down in the Groove), very good (Infidels, Oh Mercy) and downright great (Modern Times, Time Out of Mind) albums that I'm going to wager you've never played, since your Dylan appreciation seems to stop in the mid-'60s (as you've admitted previously). And I'm sorry, my friend, but I *am* familiar with all of those "classic-period" Moody Blues albums (Days of Future Passed, In Search of the Lost Chord, On the Threshold of a Dream, To Our Children's Children's Children, A Question of Balance, Every Good Boy Deserves Favour, Seventh Sojourn) and I think that they're AWFUL, so please don't bother with that mix on my behalf. I think that "Ride My See-Saw" and "Questions" are passable, but that's about it.Re: prog, Genesis (with Gabriel) are certainly one of the better progenitors of more "standard" prog, but I'd argue that bands like Can, Neu!, or Amon Duul II are really the finest that said genre has to offer (and that King Crimson, whom you mentioned, are infinitely better than Genesis ever was).
To Pop Kulcher:
How can you tell how much influence an artist has and does an artist get into the hall of fame judged by that criteria alone?
If so the Desperate Bicycles should definitely be in there as they inspired many bands to embrace the DIY ethic back in the late 70's.
As for Genesis, well you like them and I don't, that's all. It would be a dull world if we all liked the same thing. I'd rather listen to Kirsty than Genesis any day and I think her songwriting is excellent, the best example probably being her LP Kite; Free World is one of the greatest political pop songs.
How can you tell how much influence an artist has and does an artist get into the hall of fame judged by that criteria alone?
If so the Desperate Bicycles should definitely be in there as they inspired many bands to embrace the DIY ethic back in the late 70's.
As for Genesis, well you like them and I don't, that's all. It would be a dull world if we all liked the same thing. I'd rather listen to Kirsty than Genesis any day and I think her songwriting is excellent, the best example probably being her LP Kite; Free World is one of the greatest political pop songs.
I agree with much of the ambivalent-about-the-awards comments. But most of all, I really like this mix. Meaningful and nice on the ears (in the ears?).
Great idea, more controversy. You get things stirred up on this site, and that leads us to musical enlightenment.
Great idea and excellent choicces. I'm going to post a link to this on my blog!
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