good stories, Ellen, but - again - you're going to run into some problems when you discover the compellingly-written story of Hitler's adequate job satisfaction. Or …" /> Theory of Objectivity by FoolThemAll

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Theory of Objectivity

Artist Song
Modest Mouse  Fire It Up 
The Shins  Know Your Onion! 
Of Montreal  Forecast Fascist Future 
Radiohead  Go to Sleep 
The Arcade Fire  Keep the Car Running 
Queens of the Stone Age  Go With the Flow 
The Dismemberment Plan  Manipulate Me 
Aesop Rock  Save Yourself 
Elvis Costello  Blame It On Cain (alternate version) 
Loretta Lynn  Have Mercy 
The Beatles  Don't Pass Me By 
Rogue Wave  Own Your Own Home 
Animal Collective  Turn Into Something 
Radiohead  Sit Down, Stand Up 
The Dismemberment Plan  Pay For the Piano 
Sean Watkins and Glen Phillips  Let It Fall 
Andrew Bird  Don't Be Scared 
Belle & Sebastian  Ease Your Feet Into the Sea 
Sufjan Stevens  Detroit, Lift Up Your Weary Head! (Rebuild! Restore! Reconsider!) 

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"That's all well and good for [i]good[/i] stories, Ellen, but - again - you're going to run into some problems when you discover the compellingly-written story of Hitler's adequate job satisfaction. Or, to use a more contemporary example, the story of how Iraq disproved the morality of intervention."

"Well, that second story doesn't sound too bad.."

"Yeah, but Carrie, you're talking to Ms. Coulter here."

"Damn, you just can't stop comparing me to Skeletor, huh? I'll repeat what I told you before: her problem is that she doesn't go nearly far enough. What we should really do is invade their countries, kill their leaders, kill their insurrectionists with [i]much[/i] more haste, and convert them to secular humanism."

"You're not going to get anywhere enforcing your context on them."

"Debateable, Carrie, but only as a matter of tactics. Morally, there's not a thing wrong with the invasion."

"Is it moral to disrespect the customs of-"

"Moral to disrespect the punishment of rape victims, homosexuals, and religious deviants? Absolutely. Such cultures deserve neither respect nor tolerance."

"Wait, what was your point here Ann?"

"This: stories can only proxy for morality if they are moral stories. And even experience can lead one down the wrong path. What's needed in the very first place is an objective moral law."

"And how does the atheist propose...discovering, I assume, this objective moral law?"

"By sticking to and drawing from the obvious, from common sense. Yeah, yeah, Carrie, I can already hear Voltaire's words in the back of your throat - but he's wrong. There [i]are[/i] some very common axioms out there. It's wrong to be cruel for fun. It's wrong to kill without need. It's wrong to steal for comfort. It's wrong to lie for personal gain. Everyone knows this, they just pretend not to when it suits them."

"And if I challenge one of your sacred axioms?"

"Then you're wrong, and obviously so. No narrative, no matter how clever, will change that. It is, to use that word the hermit upstairs hates, self-evident. It is out of our hands."

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avocado rabbit
Date: 3/30/2008
In my opinion, objectivity is only a theory. Nice mix.
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doowad
Date: 4/7/2008
Ah, Elvis Costello, Beatles & Loretta make my day.