Other Mixes By Siobhan
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Pop
d.i.y. not e.m.i.
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The Divine Comedy |
Something For the Weekend (Casanova, 1996) Setanta Records |
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Guided By Voices |
Gonna Never Have To Die (Half Smiles Of The Decomposed, 2004) Matador Records |
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Jets To Brazil |
Conrad (Orange Rhyming Dictionary, 1998) Jade Tree Records |
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Clinic |
The Second Line (Internal Wrangler, 2000) Domino Records |
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Laika |
Diamonds & Stones (Wherever I Am I Am What Is Missing, 2003) Too Pure Records |
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The Beta Band |
I Know (Champion Versions E.P., 1997) Regal Recordings |
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Bj÷rk |
Hunter (Homogenic, 1999) One Little Indian |
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Joy Division |
Twenty Four Hours (Closer, 1980) Factory Records |
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Super Furry Animals |
Night Vision (Guerilla, 1999) Flydaddy Records |
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The Mars Volta |
Concertina (Tremulant E.P., 2002) Gold Standard Laboratories |
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Ben Folds Five |
Video (Ben Folds Five, 1995) Caroline Records |
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Morrissey |
I Like You (You Are The Quarry, 2004) Attack Records |
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Death Cab For Cutie |
Photobooth (Forbidden Love E.P., 2000) Barsuk Records |
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Animal Collective |
Who Could Win A Rabbit (Sung Tongs, 2004) Fatcat Records |
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Momus |
The Gatecrasher (The Poison Boyfriend, 1987) Cherry Red Records |
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Daniel Wylie |
Brighton Beach (Ramshackle Beauty, 2004) Measured Records |
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Mogwai |
A Cheery Wave From Stranded Youngsters (Young Team, 1997) Chemikal Underground Records |
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Portishead |
Cowboys (Portishead, 1997) Go! Beat |
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The Apples In Stereo |
Strawberryfire (Her Wallpaper Reverie, 1999) spinART Records |
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Belle and Sebastian |
Electronic Renaissance (Tigermilk, 1996) Electric Honey Records |
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Comment:
This one's for Claude - I'm really looking forward to hearing his mix of Swiss folk music, and in return, he asked for an indie-flavoured disc; I really hope he enjoys this one!Before making this, I was thinking: have I ever made a 100% pure, uncut, indie mix, with "indie" referring not simply to the catch-all term which is often used for any type of music which is remotely alternative, but more to the artists and labels of a truly independent nature? The answer is, probably not. Looking through my CDs, it was quite stunning how many of them are by artists who are, in some way, governed by the "Big Four" - Sony/BMG, Universal, EMI and Warner Music, whose annual music revenues are as follows:Sony / BMG Music Entertainment: $9 billion
Universal Music Group: $6.8 billion
EMI Group: $3.8 billion
Warner Music Group: $2.6 million
(Source: The Economist) This in itself is rather depressing for the average music lover who knows that their pioneering, independent label of choice probably couldn't stand up to these figures. However, for most it would be extremely difficult to simply boycott the Big Four: while independent record labels are more likely promote sounds which might otherwise be ignored by the mainstream companies, some musicians which are considered to be "indie" aren't actually signed to an independent: Warner publishes The Flaming Lips' CDs; EMI owns Idlewild; even The High Llamas didn't escape Sony. Furthermore, it's not hard to see why musicians are lured to the larger companies: more money = more airplay, more promotion and, crucially, a bigger studio budget for the sound you want to create on your record.
That said, even the fact that "indie" has become a synonym for "alternative" in the collective consciousness shows that independent labels and their independent attitudes have some clout. The origins of the term lie in labels which consciously established themselves apart from the major labels, and strove towards a small-scale approach which appealed on a personal level to music fans. As independent labels became more common and people began to associate the sound of certain musicians with them, regardless of whether they were independently-signed artists or not, "indie", to my mind, really came to have two separate references:
1. the indie "ethic": this aforementioned independent spirit which wanted its labels and bands to stay away from the commercialism and facelessness of the mainstream2. indie music: the common, if inaccurate, term referring to bands whose sound is unlike mainstream pop and rock.
So, as the term has made its way into common usage, many independent labels have grown and some are now virtually run on the scale of a large multinational company. The key is that they have managed to keep the sound - not the commercial success - at the heart of their ventures, and some labels, such as Jade Tree or Gold Standard Laboratories, have focused on a particular sound and tend to sign like-minded musicians.
This mix includes bands who have some affiliation with "indie" - i.e. they are, or at some point were, signed to independent labels in one country or another. Some are labels which have achieved considerable success and have offices in various parts of the globe; some have a roster of only a few bands; some had their origins in people's garages. Most have their own idiosyncrasies of some kind. Factory Records' contract stated that it did not actually own its musicians. Chemikal Underground was set up, and is still run by, The Delgados. Meanwhile, Electric Honey Records is run by students at Stow College, Glasgow, who have an annual "audition" for their next signing.
However, in all, "indie" is a difficult term to define, and moreover, label-hopping and publishing rights make things confusing, but this hopefully sticks to its premise!
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This looks tremendous. If you're up for a trade, I'll have this one. ;-)
Very cool.
Oh yes, this looks great! I will no doubt not only enjoy it, but have an educational experience, too. I recognize many of the artist names, but I don't know even one of the songs. Thanks for these detailed and well-researched liner notes, too. The mix title is very clever, too.
this really looks indeed great, even if I find it hard to call (Go! Beat)
indie but that's just a little something
indie but that's just a little something
A: Well, I'm not sure that a deal with one of the big 4 will actually put mo' money in your bank account (unless your product sells by the pallet, that is). I not so recently read an interview with ex-EMI artiste Holger Czukay who said that since he stopped having a company deal and started selling his records via his website, it's true that he sells smaller quantities but he makes much more money than before when most of the dough went into EMI's pockets. B: Does the above line-up prove anything but the fact that nowadays even the so-called "indie" companies put out stuff that is so thoroughly rooted in the mainstream (Morrissey, Portishead, the unbearable Bj÷rk, Ben Folds Five) it's not even funny? In other words, are the above artists (with the odd exception, like fellow-Berliner Momus) actually "alternative", and if so, alternative to WHAT? Or, to put it a different way, is a boring guitar-based rock band potentially less boring 'cause their records come out on a politically correct "indie" label? C: I'll never get that Joy Divison hype. Didn't things get interesting only AFTER Ian Curtis's death? D: All of which doesn't mean to say that this isn't a very nice and pleasurable collection of music. :)
Mohr: If you like mechanized, repetitive, supremely overrated techno-pop by a group who has based their entire career on a three-song template, then I'm sure it's true for you that "things got interesting only AFTER Ian Curtis' death." (Which is not to say that New Order are actually *bad* or anything... or even that I worship at the altar of Joy Division while preferring their music to the later, somewhat lamer incarnation. ;-) )
Conroy: At least New Order never put me to sleep halfway thru track 3. And they mos def wrote better (and infinitely more memorable) songs.
First off, Great Mix. I actually know quite a lot, here. And, like your choices immensely.
In my opinion, these artists can be seen as Alternative when one considers the mainstream stuff herolded by the major labels.
Lastly, once again only my opinion, but Bjork is fabulous and a perfect example of the potentiality of indie-visulistism artists can have by the mere presence of non-major label companies willing to take risks on lesser known and less commercially viable artists.
In my opinion, these artists can be seen as Alternative when one considers the mainstream stuff herolded by the major labels.
Lastly, once again only my opinion, but Bjork is fabulous and a perfect example of the potentiality of indie-visulistism artists can have by the mere presence of non-major label companies willing to take risks on lesser known and less commercially viable artists.
Controversial!
Kylie u know was an indie artist! This looks mighty fine Siobhan though I was surprised not to see earlier examples of Indie like Rough Trade, or my particular fave Attrix...but I'm sure Claude will enjoy dipping his toes!
Kylie u know was an indie artist! This looks mighty fine Siobhan though I was surprised not to see earlier examples of Indie like Rough Trade, or my particular fave Attrix...but I'm sure Claude will enjoy dipping his toes!
Wonderful mix, fantastic liner notes. Bravo!
All around cool, notes, picks, and debate!
Plenty of great stuff on here, Siobhan. Especially dig the Mars Volta, Mogwai, Portishead and B&S tracks. Nice.
Just my opinion but....I think the majority of us, given the choice-and the discs, could make a far better evening of it with or without guests going the New Order route...but to each his own. Some butt heads to show they're rather a butt-for-a-head.....
Wonderful through and through. As far as the other stuff, I remain a Joy Division/New Order agnostic and Mohr's slagging of the beatific Bj÷rk is, uhm, unbearable ;-)
I find as I get older, I'm less and less concerned about what's indie and what's commercial mainstream. If I like it, I'll listen to it - whether it's a top 10 hit on Warner Brothers or a Rough Trade b-side only released in Belgium. Good music is good music. Oh yes, love the looks of the mix. As for the JD/NO debate, I'm more of a fan of New Order. Joy Division is just a bit too dry and atonal for these ears raised on sweet pop music.
Nice looking mix, Siobhan. Could even become a series? Great notes too.
And some offer cryptically "benevolent" yet back-biting "insight" to demonstrate both their affinity with hithertofore unheard-of levels of pretension and pseudo-psychedelicized bullshit. Go figure.
I should point out that I'm definitely not an indie snob - I agree 100% with Moe that if I like it, I'll listen to it - and label shouldn't necessarily be an indicator of quality. I do like Joy Division better, though :)
ah, this is tops. lovely picks.
Oh, I love that one two ending. Beautiful.
Looks great Siobhan (and glad to see you are reading the Economist). And Mohr's point A is right on. The profitability of the major labels is hinged to a relatively small number of "hit" artists, and after promotion budgets, etc, a lot of the other artists are not seeing much.